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	<title>Comments on: Repudiate Ben Stein\&#8217;s Rhetoric</title>
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		<title>By: rfreebern</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>rfreebern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alberto,
Sadly, Ben Stein has always been a pretty outspoken conservative, and it's disgusting to watch him blindly follow the Republican talking points when it's obvious that he's smart enough to see through them if he'd just take a minute to really think about things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alberto,<br />
Sadly, Ben Stein has always been a pretty outspoken conservative, and it&#8217;s disgusting to watch him blindly follow the Republican talking points when it&#8217;s obvious that he&#8217;s smart enough to see through them if he&#8217;d just take a minute to really think about things.</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice response. I find it hard to believe that someone as knowledgeable as Ben Stein has drunk the GWB kool-aid. Granted, being good at trivia doesn't equal having wisdom, but it's clear that Stein reads more in a week than shrub does in a year. How can we explain Stein's stance: it's not simply sycophantic spin, but a delirious fantasy that is the opposite of the facts? I can think of 2 possibilites: 1. Stein has some deep-seated emotional problems which are finding expression in his arational championing of an incompetent, lying, ignorant, war-mongering, cowardly baboon's ass of a president. 2. Stein has vested financial interests in keeping the baboon's ass in power. I'd say it's either #2 or a combination of #1 and #2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice response. I find it hard to believe that someone as knowledgeable as Ben Stein has drunk the GWB kool-aid. Granted, being good at trivia doesn&#8217;t equal having wisdom, but it&#8217;s clear that Stein reads more in a week than shrub does in a year. How can we explain Stein&#8217;s stance: it&#8217;s not simply sycophantic spin, but a delirious fantasy that is the opposite of the facts? I can think of 2 possibilites: 1. Stein has some deep-seated emotional problems which are finding expression in his arational championing of an incompetent, lying, ignorant, war-mongering, cowardly baboon&#8217;s ass of a president. 2. Stein has vested financial interests in keeping the baboon&#8217;s ass in power. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s either #2 or a combination of #1 and #2.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Freebern</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Freebern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,
It seems pretty clear now that Nearly everything Ben wrote was just a kneejerk "how dare you criticize our leader?" reaction, and not really based on reality at all. Unfortunately, it seems like a large (but shrinking!) number of the people in this country have this same reaction.

Why does it take huge, devastating disasters like Katrina to wake people up to the fact that Bush and his corrupt, cronyist administration are unfit to lead even a Boy Scout troop, much less the most powerful country on earth? Why must people inevitably forget so many of the lessons they've learned about the current pathetic Republican leadership by the time elections come around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
It seems pretty clear now that Nearly everything Ben wrote was just a kneejerk &#8220;how dare you criticize our leader?&#8221; reaction, and not really based on reality at all. Unfortunately, it seems like a large (but shrinking!) number of the people in this country have this same reaction.</p>
<p>Why does it take huge, devastating disasters like Katrina to wake people up to the fact that Bush and his corrupt, cronyist administration are unfit to lead even a Boy Scout troop, much less the most powerful country on earth? Why must people inevitably forget so many of the lessons they&#8217;ve learned about the current pathetic Republican leadership by the time elections come around?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed [New Orleans’ recovery] process by one day."

Upon further reflection, even this statement has been shown to be incorrect. Bush sat on his thumbs for days. It wasn't until huge public criticism (the much derided 'blame game') shamed him into doing something vaguely resembling leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed [New Orleans’ recovery] process by one day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Upon further reflection, even this statement has been shown to be incorrect. Bush sat on his thumbs for days. It wasn&#8217;t until huge public criticism (the much derided &#8216;blame game&#8217;) shamed him into doing something vaguely resembling leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Freebern</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Freebern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, good point. Thanks for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, good point. Thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency."

If this is the case, then why did the administration submit a request to NATO asking for military equipment and other assistance?



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&#038;u=/afp/20050909/wl_afp/usweathernato_050909160044</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is the case, then why did the administration submit a request to NATO asking for military equipment and other assistance?</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&#038;u=/afp/20050909/wl_afp/usweathernato_050909160044" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&#038;u=/afp/20050909/wl_afp/usweathernato_050909160044</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://ryan.freebern.org/2005/09/05/repudiate-ben-steins-rhetoric#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, straw men are easy to construct. But even by that standard, Stein did a mediocre job.

"It’s not George Bush’s fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile."

No, it's not. However, it is the responsibility of government officials at all levels that a proper emergency plan be developed. A proper emergency plan must obviously take into account those who are sick, old and of limited mobility.

"There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency."

As I noted in my blog, thousands of National Guardsmen from Mississippi and Louisiana are in Iraq right now. Perhaps even more critically, so is their equipment. Where was all the NG's equipment for feeding and housing large numbers of people? Where was all their water purification equipment? Their electricity generators? Their transport aircraft? Those things were in the Gulf, just the wrong Gulf. 30% (in people, not even counting equipment) of the Louisiana National Guard is in Iraq right now. '30% less' constitutes 'diminished' in my book. And I don't think you need a math degree to know this.

"Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care."

You knew that Bill and/or Hillary Clinton would be invoked in some way by the right.

"What special abilities does the media have for deciding how much blame goes to the federal government as opposed to the city government of New Orleans for the aftereffects of Katrina?"

There's plenty of blame to go around. Unfortunately, some people reflexively proffer knee jerk defenses of the president against any and every criticism, no matter how mild. The president was responsible for tying the hands of state officials by sending 30% of their National Guard and who knows how much of their equipment to fight a foreign excursion. Since the president was responsible for diminishing the capacity of state and local officials to act on their own, he had an obligation to provide help much more quickly than he did.

"If able-bodied people refuse to obey a mandatory evacuation order for a city, have they not assumed the risk that ill effects will happen to them?"

What about able-bodied people without private transportation? If they did not have or were not offered the means to leave, then their decision to stay was not voluntary.

"Where did the idea come from that salvation comes from hatred and criticism and mockery instead of love and co-operation?"

Maybe from witnessing this administration for the last 4 1/2 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, straw men are easy to construct. But even by that standard, Stein did a mediocre job.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s not George Bush’s fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not. However, it is the responsibility of government officials at all levels that a proper emergency plan be developed. A proper emergency plan must obviously take into account those who are sick, old and of limited mobility.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I noted in my blog, thousands of National Guardsmen from Mississippi and Louisiana are in Iraq right now. Perhaps even more critically, so is their equipment. Where was all the NG&#8217;s equipment for feeding and housing large numbers of people? Where was all their water purification equipment? Their electricity generators? Their transport aircraft? Those things were in the Gulf, just the wrong Gulf. 30% (in people, not even counting equipment) of the Louisiana National Guard is in Iraq right now. &#8216;30% less&#8217; constitutes &#8216;diminished&#8217; in my book. And I don&#8217;t think you need a math degree to know this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.&#8221;</p>
<p>You knew that Bill and/or Hillary Clinton would be invoked in some way by the right.</p>
<p>&#8220;What special abilities does the media have for deciding how much blame goes to the federal government as opposed to the city government of New Orleans for the aftereffects of Katrina?&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of blame to go around. Unfortunately, some people reflexively proffer knee jerk defenses of the president against any and every criticism, no matter how mild. The president was responsible for tying the hands of state officials by sending 30% of their National Guard and who knows how much of their equipment to fight a foreign excursion. Since the president was responsible for diminishing the capacity of state and local officials to act on their own, he had an obligation to provide help much more quickly than he did.</p>
<p>&#8220;If able-bodied people refuse to obey a mandatory evacuation order for a city, have they not assumed the risk that ill effects will happen to them?&#8221;</p>
<p>What about able-bodied people without private transportation? If they did not have or were not offered the means to leave, then their decision to stay was not voluntary.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where did the idea come from that salvation comes from hatred and criticism and mockery instead of love and co-operation?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe from witnessing this administration for the last 4 1/2 years.</p>
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